STRYD : First POWER Run with the V800

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I updated the V800 firmware last night (details here) with some excitement (yes I am a very sad person 😉 or, at least, easily pleased). Finally a proper run with the V800 and STRYD!!!!! TA DA !! The definition of a ‘proper’ run means that POWER data is shown properly as POWER in WATTS in a running profile on the V800.

Summary:

Generally it seems VERY GOOD.

Here’s What I Expected

  • V800 would be 100%,
  • FLOW would be fine as would Golden Cheetah BUT
  • I expected to have problems importing the data into SportTracks 3.1.

Here’s What I ACTUALLY Found

  • Flow seems to allow proper selection of multiple power-based metrics for RUNNING profiles. YAY!!
  • Power Zones & Zone lock functionality is NOT available for RUNNING
  • But Zone Lock functionality would be GREAT to have for power (ie it beeps+vibrates when you go above/below a zone that you set mid-run/ride). This would be similar/better than STRYD’s new Garmin CIQ app – PowerRace
  • Only HR and pace/speed are seen as zones on the V800
  • PACE DATA DOES NOT APPEAR WHEN BEST GPS is set as source of pace for me on the V800 (see image below YET comments further below suggest this might just be my problem??). Presumably the same issue would be found for lower quality GPS too. (Yet PACE DATA appeared later in Sporttracks but not in FLOW…very strange) Edit: 3rd run and this time no data with STRYD for pace…hmmm.
  • PACE *DOES* appear on the V800 if STRYD is set as the source for pace
  • Display of a single POWER metric seemed slightly laggy in updating itself compared to Garmin/Sunnto – I could be imagining this. I’m just talking of a 3-5 second delay, that kind of ballpark.
  • I did not look for stride length data – the metrics can be selected and displayed.
  • Bizarrely SportTracks 3.1 imports the pace data correctly and the power data correctly. ST3.1 doesn’t import power for Garmin sourced power data from a FIT file directly from a Garmin device when a stryd data field is used. sigh!!
  • Golden Cheetah was of course fine with the power data for running (nice CP curve – not shown)

What this actually means

With all the previous workarounds, where various channels were taken over by STRYD to display, I only really used those devices a few times. The impracticality of how power was THEN displayed and subsequently handled meant it was just more bother and time that I was prepared to commit. So I used a Suunto or Garmin instead. NOW that’s all different with Polar. POWER is NOW usable SUPER-EASILY USED on the V800.

Sadness: Power does not appear as a selectable option for the M600 or M200. The M200 is unlikely but there is some limited hope for the M600. I’ll tell you about the M430 next week when I get one to play with properly. I would REALLY HOPE AND EXPECT it to support POWER. *IF* it does then that is properly bringing power to a mass market running device…that starts to get REAL exciting REAL quick – IF it happens.

CHARTS

Here is the missing PACE data clearly shown (well, NOT shown) in FLOW.

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And then here is the same data miraculously in sportTracks 3.1 (It was fine in golden Cheetah too). The power zones are probably wrong in my ST3.1 – ignore those.

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Here are the bits that show FLOW setting can be modified to add power

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Justin

All this makes me just super excited for the V800 replacement now. Let’s just hope Polar gets with the times and makes its successor more in line with other high-end sport watches. Less sporty looking, but be a beast under the hood. I love the Polar ecosystem (hey, you’re someone that is more of a training athlete, not someone that climbs mountains which cross-country skis and paddles their way to exercise everyday? No, you usually do crossfit/functional strength training with a Run and cycle their way through the week AND you want metric data for those things!!) Seriously, the correlating information from the activity in Polar activities is good, better than trying to correlate Training Status to Training Load and Training Effect and Vo2max with your Lactate Threshold and being clear that what you did and what the watch is telling you makes sense (HI GARMIN!!)And the thing is: Polar legitimately seems like they know what they are doing here, not just throwing things at the wall and hope they stick (HI GARMIN!!!) If that means a watch I use for YEARS with constant support and updates to every facet of the watch AND working in outside sensors…sign me up.… Read more »

Justin

I only say that here because Polar seems more concerned about fine-tuning their technology, rather than shoveling out 10+devices a year and furthering piecemealing the spread with all these devices that do some of this and some of that. They basically have (3) categories they make watches for and take a long time between releasing them. That’s a very big choice for a company to make because you’re basically leaving money on the table. If they want to really compete with the big companies (GARMIN) they need revenue, and if that isn’t coming from giant assortment of hardware sales, it could come from software support/new software and options/3rd party integration for the life of the device. I’d be more inclined for free everything, but Polar itself might not ever dig itself out of the place it is, which might be what they want. For me though, paying for these things and those things bring tons of options and precision to the watch I own for years while bolstering the company to bigger and better heights down the line is ok in my eyes. Same costs in the long run for the user, but it’s not a eye watering price up… Read more »

tx911

I agree 100% with everything you said re: Garmin vs. Polar

I have to say though, that the display on the V800 seems absolutely prehistoric after using a 935 for a month.

Hopefully the V800 replacement will be awesome, but the key will be to try to figure out how to balance a much better display with all-day OHR and still maintain battery life.

As things stand now, Polar needs to update the Flow website to allow the creation of phased workouts using Power Zones as targets.

Using Zone lock as mentioned above would also work, but as of now the zones in play for power are those set for the cycling profile. There are no zones able to be set specifically for running.

tx911

Problem with using the M600 display is it will destroy battery life, plus is not always-on if I’m not mistaken.

I think you need a minimum of 7 full days of battery, and I would want an always-on display. Garmin cracked this nut, so Polar needs to follow suit with the V810.

Based on the M430, it seems like what we may actually get is a V800 with OHR and Sleep-plus, but with the same display. This would be a bit disappointing in my eyes.

Rob

I think Polar just need a few more tech guys, as fixes take ages, damn good job I have more than one watch, M430 should be here Monday as it’s now showing at oldbury. Fellrnr has tested stryd with it (M430) and it’s only connecting as a standard foot pod, hopefully a future update will put that right

Coalville Canterer

Try running without your heart rate monitor, pace and distance will then work 🙁 here’s hoping for a quick fix

Lars Ejaas

Please keep us updated with the STRYD and the Polar V800 /M430!

I am testing a M430 currently (have been using the Garmin Forerunner with STRYD until now). Not sure if I should go for V800 or wait a bit for M430 to support the STRYD…

pooneej

how accurate is the pacing with the stryd/Polar V800 ? I love my V800 and actually don’t mind it’s ‘prehistoric’ display. ::)

tfk, the5krunner

very
😉

Justin

Can Stryd replace Polar Stride Sensor?

tfk, the5krunner

yes!