First, it was Google Earth requiring payment from developers that meant my images on SportTracks had watermarks all over them – I did find a workaround that involved giving Google my credit card details.
Then it was finally figuring out after two years that it was the TRAININGLOAD plugin that was slowing down the startup of ST3.1.
Now it looks like SportTracks is being frozen in time.
I think frozen is a better way of saying it. It sounds better than de-supported. I assume ST3.1 will still work. It’s just that if there is some errant tweak in .NET or on Google Earth then you’re stuffed.
Announcement from Zone Five Software…below. Grrr.
If XERT can create a multi-sport environment then, personally, I’d probably switch to that and use some of FINALSURGE’s upcoming functionalities for other stuff.
I’ll still use Golden Cheetah for weird stuff. Either that or set a decent amount of time aside to really understand all of it…there’s a lot to understand.
Maybe I should just accept that 2019 has arrived and stop living in 2009.
Training Peaks. nah. You might want to have a look at STRAVISTIX/ELEVATE
STRAVISTIX – ELEVATE – Deeper Analysis with ELEVATE for STRAVA aka STRAVISTIX
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Zone Five Software strives to provide useful and innovative solutions for technically focused fitness athletes training with data. Achieving that goal requires we focus on where the future tech trends and customers are going. In support of that goal Zone Five Software announces the end-of-life and end-of-sales dates for the SportTracks 3 (ST3) Windows PC software app. The last day to purchase a license for the ST3 product is June 30, 2019.
The ST3 product will reach end-of-life on March 31, 2020. Before the end-of-life date Zone Five Software may continue to provide software patches for issues assessed as urgent or critical in nature. At this time there is no software patch planned.
After March 31, 2020, we will no longer take support issues, offer software updates, or provide any support infrastructure for online services related to the ST3 Windows PC application operation including the support website, license management, or plugin registry.
We invite all customers to transition to our SportTracks online product [LEARN MORE]. Customers with an existing ST3 license can use the free Cloud Sync feature in ST3 to migrate their workout history, fitness health metrics and gear details in a few easy steps. The SportTracks online product has a 45-day free trial offer.
To maintain the integrity of your data and fitness tracking workflow we strongly recommend that you transition to our SportTracks online solution or another fitness tracking solution and de-install the ST3 software on or before the Software end-of-life date.
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Also an alternative for runners https://runalyze.com/
Can use web or install your own server.
Disappointing but not unexpected. I was determined to stick with ST3 – really didn’t want to trust my data to the Cloud, would much rather have my own store. Became a pain when direct sync from Garmins stopped working, but I persevered, doing manual export/import, just to get the data store.
however, gave up a few months ago, as finally accepted they couldn’t care less about the product as they fully committed to the mobi site.
though I know everything is going Cloud, not sure it’s a great strategy for them – they’re now competing against bigger and better companies, where they had a unique proposition for desktop software – which I imagine plenty of folk are keen on.
yeah i agree. unfortunately at the last point you make i think it falls over. not sure there really are that many of us left. let’s hope they open source the code.
I still care about having a desktop repository for all of my running data. ST3 is actually a perfect case in point. Imagine if all of my data were on the cloud right now and the company decided to change the terms of service ($$$) or had to shut down unexpectedly? At least with ST3, I have an XML based logbook that I can get all of my information out of + my original .FIT files. Can’t say that for the cloud.
Just not sure where to go next…all I really need is the basics and a training load calculator.
i hear ya!
TL: golden cheetah, xertonline, stratistix/elevate, tp and many others
Thanks for the tips, 5k! I use Garmin Connect, which is free and provides a nice, portable interface for eyeballing my progress, but nothing to get into the nitty gritty that I’m looking for. Golden Cheetah looks interesting, but mainly geared toward cyclists. That may be worth checking out, though. If the reporting is good out of the box, that may work as I gather my bearings. There’s another one called TurtleSport that looks good. Hasn’t been updated since 2017 and I didn’t see anything about reporting in the screenshots, but it’s open source and looks very similar to ST3. The others I found appear to be cloud based, which I totally understand from the perspective of a developer (full control of updates, a continuous revenue stream, not having to troubleshoot a user’s computer, etc.), but I won’t be going that route, mainly because I want full control of my data and don’t want to pay a continuous revenue stream for something that should be a one-time purchase.
I may actually put something together for myself, starting with the raw data and statistics, and some charting. There appears to be enough information online for the training load calculations to do it myself. It’s really a nice, polished frontend that would take time, but I think I could do something quick & dirty for myself.
ST3 is pretty much out for me. It’s unable to import the .FIT files from my FR935, I believe ever since I added the Stryd ConnectIQ plugin. I’m sure I can work around that, but the writing is on the wall. Time to find something new!!
it should be able to import them
tho you might have to use the OMB iFIT importer…which may no longer be available for purchase 🙁
ciq files will always cause some platforms issues who have not implemented the full fit file spec
one option is to always use (paid for) fit file repair tool to repair/change the format of workout files eg to tcx, which would, for example, put cached hr data back in the right chronological place.
Thanks for the tips! I downloaded the FIT SDK and I’m on my way! They have a sample decoder in c# and all of the data I’m interested is there in the files for the taking! I’ll have no problem converting to other file formats. I’m pretty much convinced that I need to come up with my own system. I always wanted more control over the reporting, and now is the time to make it happen!!
Some more good desktop alternatives, that seems to be under active development, I’m checking at the moment:
http://mytourbook.sourceforge.net/mytourbook/
(nice software, but for me a little bit complicated/overcrowded GUI).
https://www.hrmprofil.de/apps/traininglab/prgbesch.html
(I like the intuitive user guidance, software seems to have some potential)
Both programs are able to import my current exported fitlog files.
And that’s a real risk these days. So many companies are moving to the cloud but don’t have good data security plans in place (some don’t even seem to understand the issue.) Nor do they understand how going to the cloud can break the value of their product for at least parts of their customer base.
These companies are literally dumping the loyal customers because someone in the company thinks “the cloud’ model is better for business, but unfortunately it means a product that works more poorly, especially if one is without web connectivity.
Neat is a great example of how bad this can be. Fantastic product but created a market for competing products over night by moving to a cloud based analysis and storage model: for a product you us to scan financial data! Only a fool puts his financial data in the cloud… and worse yet, now I’d have to make sure my internet connection is solid so that all the back and forth of analyzing my data and making it available to me works. Bad internet connection = Useless product.
Sadly, it looks like Sport Tracks is going the same way. Time to start researching an alternative.
it’s a tricky thing to monetise. I suspect sporttracks ditched the one-off desktop payment in favour on an annual cloud subscription. i can certianly see the attraction of that
I have talked to st3.1 plugin developers and they said that ‘people jsut want free stuff’ …give them the option of paying ‘if they want to’ and people simply don’t, on the whole.
golden cheetah is the free desktop software to go to.
Maybe, but I’m not sure – anecdotally I know a lot of people (admittedly in a running club) that would much prefer local storage, I know that is quite a niche market, but certainly when you replicate that out, I’d say there would be enough for something viable. I’d be very tempted to pick something up if it got Open Sourced, but starting from scratch would be too much of an undertaking…
Local storage please :-)!!!
yep. I agree
There are dozen of us!
Yep – not just the cloud issue for me… I find the desktop version has a much cleaner interface, where the smaller fonts and distinct panels with clear demarcations make it much easier on the eye for viewing, Never really got on with the web version which just looks too “busy” to really focus on anything.
So its all because of Training Load plug-in?? How did you fix this? just uninstall the plug-in? I really like it and there is no equivalent except for Stravistix…
thx!
6co
I mean, the being slow to open thing….
yep that’s the only way.
but i look at training load each time i open ST3…so my advice doesn’t help me either 😉
Disappointed!! like you guys. Windows 7 support ending next year too. A double whammy for me. I tried Golden Cheetah, but geared towards cycling if you excuse the pun and a bit too complex for my liking. Turtle sports seems to work quite well, simple to use. I am also testing training lab. Which has a limited direct watch sync, but my Garmin 230 can be accessed and fit files downloaded. Like you guys, I have 10 years worth of files to download, individually through SportTracks using the file converter plugin. It’s a shame, as SportTracks 3.0 does everything I need from a running/bike/weight training/swimming log. Without the security risk of loosing information or personal information being misused. That’s so called progress for you. Kind regards Mervyn, a veteran 68 years young runner.
After several years using ST, this definitely didn’t come as a surprise as ST was slowly getting stale.
After much research, I have adopted MTB (http://mytourbook.sourceforge.net/mytourbook/).
GC being too much geared towards cycling and at first glance it seems that one needs a PhD to be able to use it 🙂
MTB is a great alternative to ST and is VERY actively being developed.
While I understand most of the industry players are moving to the cloud, I am not sure that every customer is wanting that marketing model and I am sure there should be choices so every athlete can make their own and not be forced down their throat something that doesn’t fit them.
I personally want to own my data locally and want to be able to analyze my athletic endeavors deeply
ST3 is dead and GC is not user friendly at all – and this comes from a statistics nut. I’m also not convinced that it has the power to interrogate the data in the ways that I would like.
Is anyone out there analysing their own data rather than relying on applications? There are loads of ways to get your data downloaded to your desktop automatically as tcx/gpx files, and from there the world is your oyster if you’re into sports and statistics.
I have a few ideas that I want to explore, assuming nobody else has already done the legwork (I don’t think they have, or at least they haven’t published their work online). I’m currently trying to work out how to import tcx files into a RDBMS. It should be relatively straightforward to get just one publisher’s “handwriting”, but I am struggling to figure out how to handle multiple namespaces, as I don’t have any prior xml knowledge. Once I’ve figured out the import, from there I plan to create a series of cubes to cut the data in different ways, allowing all sorts of ways to interrogate the data. I’d really like to be able to analyse the patterns of what I did prior to good performances so I can replicate in the future.
In an ideal world, I’d then go cloud-based (I KNOW!) and pool data from many athletes. I’m just spit-balling here, there are lots of hurdles to get over to get to that point, let alone actually getting a website up and running, security being the main issue for a web-based athlete data-sharing platform. But if it existed, instead of relying on Strava coming up with boiler-plate analysis whenever they feel like it, which is too generic to be very helpful, you could just interrogate the data. “I want a 5k PB, here are my current PB, age, BMI and fitness level.” The system then finds patterns within the best performance improvements over 5k among athletes that share those characteristics (training hours, distance, proportion of running in different HR/pace zones etc.). It’s actually incredible that this doesn’t already exist. Your only option is pre-packaged analysis, whether that’s Strava, SportsTracks, or one of the manufacturers’ own websites. Even TrainingPeaks doesn’t provide this.
By the way, if anyone is reading this, feel free to steal this idea. I’m only interested in using it, I’d rather someone other than me developed it!
i can put you in contact with developers at goldencheetah and at fitfilerepairtool (use MS ACCESS), email me in**@th*********.com
I’m going to use the ST3.x Desktop as long as I can and as long as the add-ins I have for it run.
I can do some of what I want in Excel and will likely move the data itself to Access or SQL Server Express.
OTOH, hopefully they might open-source Sport Tracks. Though I doubt it. I will look at this Tourbook tool as well. But keeping my data on my machines and in my backups is more important than some company profiteering off the cloud.
OTOH…nah 🙁
i’m going to reinstall just before the EOL date. hopefully that will then delay the next auto licence check for as long as possible
if you do that you’ll also need to downgrade to a slightly earlier version. I can get hold of one nearer the time…ping me if you want it (feb/mar2020)
The reinstall before EOL date isn’t necessary. An install after EOL is problematic though because the license server (which verifies that you bought the product) will also be taken down.
Luckily it’s extremely easy to patch the SportTracks.exe to remove the license check if you use a tool called dnSpy ( https://github.com/0xd4d/dnSpy/releases ). All it takes is to browse to ZoneFiveSoftware.SportTracks.Util and edit the class Licensing
Fine, thanks for sharing it.
I did wonder what would be the legal stance of ST3 after the day of EOL. Whether its code would be freely change because it would be dead from a legal point of view, so no restriction to modify it would be applied. Or just the opposite? Copyright will be intact, EOL will have no effect on it?
But my wondering was deleted by ST3 team, see my story under the nickname of Z here: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2014/10/sporttracks-connect-automatic.html
It also makes some sense to check just the last dozen posts or so.
By the way today I spotted that another user of ST3 used a word of Fraud, because he had had problem with licensing. I just wanted to check the user clicking on him, but the ST3 forum engine said:” the user does not exist any more” or sthing like that
Cheers,
Zoltan
Might be adequate to change the “RevalidateLicense” 7.0 day period to 99999.0 days
This keeps the properly licensed install legal and is a simple change.
See https://i.imgur.com/ofE9dDC.jpg
Oooh, what a “spaghetti-code”!
🙂
FYKI I also patched the .exe and changed it to 99999. And saved the change and checked the .exe re-opening it in the editor.
I also made a test and launched my ST3 directly after my old laptop booted. Thus I gave no time for my laptop to fully boot, alunch all the Win7 services and get the internet connection.
I still got the trial mode. See https://kepkuldes.com/image/e3HUSg
So I guess changing the RevalidateLicense number is not enough. Mayb somebody else to test it, too?
When reading this, I do not find it strange that software suppliers use a pure subscription model (with the cloud) at one end and that users discuss how to use what they have purchased on the other.
Anyway, we need a communication channel when the ST forum has closed.
This thread is a start.
As long as GitHub allows, I will keep my plugins there, but eventually they will be hard to build.
I think setting up this community channel is a great idea. We probably should download the setup and plugins and host them somewhere else as these will otherwise disappear…
As a community we could survive this and take SportsTracks beyond end of life.
Great discussion.
I patched the executable to 99999 days as Tex suggested. I do not know how to change the Class Licensing as Edwyna suggested. I have also created a VM that contains my fully installed and activated ST3 with all my plugins as a backup.
I have been testing WKO5 as a desktop replacement and while it does have impressive data analytics, it does not have any equipment tracking which seems very odd, and it also has no weather integration. For online platforms I have also tested TrainingPeaks and Runalyz. Neither one provides all the functionality to replace ST3 🙁
Dan M (aka ViDi0T)
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Why do you reccomend an old version ov ST3 ? Anyone know where to get hold of an old version?
I have this version if that interests anyone : ST3 v3.1.6879
I’m intrested in that version if you still can share it
Likewise – if you still have it!
bonjour, je suis interssé
Thank you Edwyna, that was a great help!
It still hurts me that Aaron called my behaviour poor and the fact that he made my posts under a control.
But having seen that both here and on dcrainmaker.com there are ST3-users, who would like to become “ST3 survivals” gave me some sort of remedy.
Zoltan
aka
Tisztul_A_Visztula
As I mentioned earlier in a comment, I have tested several applications.
I’ve now migrated to Traininglab Pro Windows PC only application.
Downside: this application can not completely substitute Sporttracks, but most of my needed tasks can be. And it isn’t freeware, but the cost for a license is moderate.
Pros: the developer is a very kind person. I’ve had a problem importing my fitlog files, sport types haven’t been assigned correctly. After I had emailed him, he implemented a bulk sport type switcher, so that all my former activities could be well typed. The user interface is very intuitive, the application is very easy to handle .
There are many other apps like the mentioned Golden Cheetah, Mytourbook and WKO5 for example, so leaving the sinking ship is not a big deal.
Thanks Aaron for developing and maintaining Sporttracks this long time, but the end respectively the handling of the end is realy very unpleasant.
So yesterday my Windows 10 Home finally updated to v1903 and after that there were two updates for .NET framework 3.5 and 4.8 and I don’t know which update caused this.
Today when I launched ST3, I have to validate my plugin licensing for OMB and mechgt. I have valid licenses for these plugins so for today it was no problem.
Of course, this lead me to wonder what will happen post 3/31/2020? Will the plugins still work? Will they need reactivating once in a while? Can it be patched as well?
You can edit the plugins as well. The dll files for the plugins are located under the hidden folder c:\programdata\zonefivesoftware\…..
Btw I also edited the frequency of update availability checking. It seemed that ST3 looked for updates once a month. Changing the parameter 1 to 1200 means 100 year of relax and ver6879 will not find out that there are newer versions published. Although it seems to be unneccesary, since the server will be shut down inn6 months, but any attempt to communicate with the server might give an error in case the server was not available.
One thing I am not sure to understand from this discussion.
Are most of you trying to continue to use ST as long as you can ?
Personally, I just want to be sure I can use ST until I am done migrating my data to the new software I chose but maybe you intend in continuing to use ST as long as possible ?
What deterred me initially from ST (even before the EOL announcement) is that big files are not supported (in a nutshell, due to the fact that ST uses .NET 3.5. See here : http://www.zonefivesoftware.com/sporttracks/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11001). And even if i don’t encounter an OutOfMemory exception yet, my 10+ years of data make ST really slow….
that’s a pain.
you should archive off 8 of those years of data and just work with 2 years, that is what I do
yes I would like to use sportacks as long as I can
Why don’t split it into different logbook?
Because we’re in 2019 and that just sounds too heinous 🙂
On top of it, I feel like it is inevitable that ST will stop working one way or another one day so i might as well make the switch as soon as I can.
If you find a software that can do all that ST3 can with all plug-ins, plz let us know
I am not aware of anything that does all that ST3 does, especially since ST had so many plugins that every one is using it differently.
I have personally switched to MyTourBook and have been really happy so far.
With the license server issue resolved I see no reason for moving away. Migrating to other software will mean some kind of data loss for sure.
So yes, I’m staying.
My intent was to only keep using ST3 until I migrate all my data to another platform, however, I still have not found another platform (PC or cloud based) that provides all the functionality I am seeking for multisport (Triathlon). After EOL, CloudSync will cease to work so it will mean manual loading of the Garmin fit files, not too much work, but certainly not convenient.
I don’t mind paying for a good product, and I asked Aaron many times to come up with a business model and pricing to keep ST3 going (sigh). I was quite disappointed with WKO5, was expecting much more, thank goodness for the free trial!
ST3 loads super slow for me too, 12+ years of data, and Training Load takes even longer!
I am also not confident that ST3 and the plugins will keep working indefinitely. I am not a coder so trying to patch my plugins is proving to be a bit of a challenge!
Dan M
” am also not confident that ST3 and the plugins will keep working indefinitely.”
That’s exactly my thoughts so I prefer running away from ST as soon as I can…
Did you check out other PC apps ? Pytrainer, Runner’s studio, turtlesports, Mytourbook, WKO5, Goldencheetah…. there is choice!
PS Training Load is what causes ST3 to load slowly. disable it and it will be MUCH quicker.
We’re at a crossroads. Either SportTracks dies (as planned) or SportTracks is revived by the community.
If no one sets up an alternative community where there can be SportTracks user to user support I’d say it’s likely of SportTracks being truly at it’s end of life as the zonefivesoftware forum will be taken down soon.
I’ve fixed Dobrou Extensions to function with the latest version of SportTracks. The patched version is available here: ufile.io/jicboabt
This plugin allows you to do:
* Extended KML export
– Gradient colored track – color based on activity data (speed,elevation,grade…).
– Dot-racing
– Dynamic track width,height,opacity – based on activity data
* Display currently selected activities immediately in Google Earth :
– When you click “Export -> ENABLE/DISABLE instant export to Google Earth in current view” – when ENABLED – every time you select some activities in current view in SportTracks, they are immediately shown in Google Earth application. (Latest version 6 of GE is recommended)
All features work in “Daily activity” and “Activity Reports” view.
(Plugin needs latest version of Google Earth installed, download this from http://www.google.com/earth/ )
Although I dont use this plugin, let me thank you in the name of those users who do use it.
Hello to all,
Some weeks ago I switched from Fenix 3 HR to Fenix 5 plus and faced the problem that ST3 does not import elevation, neither as a standalone data track, nor part of GPS data.
I found out that it is due to the new .fit format Garmin introduced in April 2016, less than a quarter later than F3HR was released, and ST3 was deliberately not modified to handle the new format properly. It is a bit sad, because it shows that 3 years before the EOL announcement it was an intention not to fully keep ST3 updated.
Anyway I am just colllecting ideas how I can make the elevation import as easy as it can be.
Right now I import the .fit file to ST3 saved by a .bat file from the watch to my laptop and then export the activity from GC as a .gpx file, finally I update both GPS and elevation tracks.
I just wonder whether there is any desktop tool to convert the new fit file format to an old fit file? Or if there is not, fyi I could not find any so far, is there any other way to exclude the export and reimport steps I am doing these days?
Thanks for the care.
i use this: fitfilerepairtool.info/?=the5krunner (it has a batch convert mechanism )
but i THINK that if you do strava.com/activity/123456/export_tcx you will get a corrected file for activity number 123456, that might be easier and it will also possibly have DEM-corrected elevation data.
I can’t remember if OMB’s FITFILE import tool in ST3.1 correctly reads the elevation. IIRC it might. tho i’m not sure you can still buy it to add to st3.1
1. I do have this plugin called “Garmin Fit Devices”, it has the same malfunction.
2. As I wrote I am not interested in web based re-export and then an import to ST3.
3. Does Fitfilerepairtool convert files? I mean is it a converter between different versions of fit formats? Because when I used it years ago, it was not able to do this sort of things.
It seems that it was added to FFRT.info just 2 weeks ago:
“ Option “Export as FIT file using FIT file definition 1.0” added”
3. yes.
FIT 1 was added recently. other options were available ages ago.
FYI In the meantime I found a better (=free) software. The latest version of gpsBabel does the trick, too.
just had a quick look…yes, that seems to superficially support a huge number of formats.
Hi,
Having seen the recent posts in http://www.zonefivesoftware.com/sporttracks/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18089&start=150 I wanted to help people to give a reference to this thread, but you know, my Z5sw account is still disabled (more precisely my posts are under moderation and they are practically never approved).
In 2 days time Z5sw webpage might be unavailable, so would someone being present here link this thread in that Z5sw topic highlighting what the desperate user should do if they would like to use their legally bought software?
Thanks in their name, too.
It looks like they’ve voided all of the checks, so we can keep using the software. But has anyone found the switch to turn off the huge end-of-life message?
I don’t think they have turned off the check. It don’t run everytime,
I found a 3.1.6807 version and that don’t havfe this EOL Message
Do you think it’s possible to downgrade? Can I re-install the software with all the plugins?
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I looked in the exe file and there are a lot of “Void””s when it comes to license checks.
Just because they have “void” functions don’t mean that there is no Checks for license.
I don’t have it infront of me, but as I remember Those functions sets the “LicensInfo.IsActivated, and LicensInfo.Status for example.”
Not as easy as it sounds… Or maybe exactly as easy as it sounds 🙂
Anyway, I’m having trouble following the patching instructions, as I’m unsure what to change what to from what 🙂
Would anybody be able to create an exe file to download? I have a 3.1.6934 install package lying around.
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Can you show a screenshot where you make this change?
Thanks
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Application?
dnspy refuse to recompile main.cs if I do so.
Yes, that was it.
Strange.
I do the following:
1. Starting dnSPy (it says version 6.1.4 64 bit in the top)
2. Open SportsTracs.exe
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Now I get a lot of error:
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Already patch my version 3.1.70xx, it’s ok. I don’t have any previous version. Where can I find it? Maybe I will lose all the plugin. But if the only problem is the red message “end of life”, i’ll stay so
Hi, I think I have older versions in my Download folder (I started to save them when they announced the EOL of ST). I can send it if you give me an email.
(I’ve arrived here looking for info about what will happen with ST after EOL)
Patched ST3.1 still working fine for me. The only thing which has stopped working for me so far is OMB’s weather plugin, which now gives a 404 error. The wundergound.com website that it sourced the data from is still OK, so I presume the plugin phones home to his own website – http://www.sporttracks-plugins.de/de/ – which I see is now offline. Bit of a shame, and not a huge surprise, but not a deal breaker. The other OMB plugins that I use are still operating OK.
Hello, If someone found a way to make the weather plugin from OMB to work , i would be really interested in the solution!
Regards
As I remember the death of Weather plugin has nothing to do with EoL. It started to die back in early 2019, when Wunderground.com changed its policy, see https://www.reddit.com/r/Chronus/comments/awtv1k/weather_underground_api_shutting_down_reposted/
Can you Stephen confirm that weather plugin collected weather info until 31/03/2020?
Just because I uninstalled this plugin back in May, because it went off. It may have not given a 404 error, but as I remeber it did not work properly, it was good only to import weather data from .fit files of my Fenixes.
Hi Zoltan. Yes, I can confirm that the weather plugin was working fine for me up until EOL. Just checked an activity from 29th March for example, and all the weather data is there.
I’ve no idea why it stopped working for you last May. Did you raise a ticket with OMB?
No, I didnt, because also OMB announced the end of support of his plugins. I do remember that there were some people who even wanted to buy some of his plugins at that time, but he said he did not want to allow it, because he could not support, and he had to if he sold them.
Z5sw removed their forum where this discussion was made, but as I remember OMB cited something even about GDPR as a reason of his decision. Maybe I am wrong…
Strange.
I do the following:
1. Starting dnSPy (it says version 6.1.4 64 bit in the top)
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Awesome !
Thanks very much, Tex – that’s perfect. Now back to the real business of logging some exercise!
Tex,
Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!
I have seen the [EDITED] sections, 5Kr. I would avoid to interpret laws, but on the other hand I guess it may be a public piece of info whether you changed your mind on your own, or had you been contacted by Aaron/Z5software to remove some of the references.
Just because somr reference to modification had been here for a couple of months.
It is why I have a bet that you had been asked recently to remove them.
It is quite obvious that he has been contacted bu them. But the leagal thing is not really clear to me.
I have bought the software. It was a promised “Life time license” Z5S have several time told me that I can continue to use it but now that seems to be a lie. If they declare End of life and the software is dead, how can it still be under protection?
One thing is to clear tell how to remove the activation process and make people not need to have a licens.
That is breaking the protection laws. Which has not been done here. Another thing is to Spead the world how you can keep to use the software with a life time license that you have bought. (Which we have done here) To patch a software is not illegal. You are telling us that we breake the “Copy protection law” , But we are not. We just tell how to keep using the software with a valid licence.
“ If they declare End of life and the software is dead, how can it still be under protection?”
It was exactly what I asked politely in ST3 forum last May. And that post was deleted and I was put under moderation, practically it meant a lifetime 🙂 ban, and I was said to be by Aaron a bad guy.
See here among the posts https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2014/10/sporttracks-connect-automatic.html/comment-page-1#comment-3525077
Pretty honestly speaking at that time I really just wondered, because I never lived in an Anglo Saxon country and I had no clue about their logics in laws.
I as a mathematican-minded person just thought that maybe there might have been a gap in the shield Z5S built to enforce people to use STmobi and we could convince Aaron that he also had obligation, not just power to do that enforcement.
What has become quite obvious, too, that Aaron uses the tool of lying by choice. He spreaded the info that the overwhelming majority of users migrated from ST3 to mobi, and actually he did not care with the couple of people nagging or swearing about their beloved ST3.
But Aaron and/or his small team did and does everything to make it impossible to use ST3 any longer. This action here was just the latest instance of it.
Pure contradiction.
I guess mobi is not succesful at all and they need us as subscribers. Or if we are not ready to accept it, we should be punished.
Finally some of you are angry with 5KR. Please do not say these sorts of things. Just imagine what you would have to do in the same situation. Aaron behaves like a mad crusader and why should 5KR take the risk of being attacked legally?
Either you love or not the contents here he does NOT deserve these words.
Howgh!
he he he
“Either you love or not the contents here he does NOT deserve these words.” thank you very much for your support Zoltán I *REALLY* do appreciate kind words.
Ooops I just realized now that you opted for a kind nickname, Zoltanfan 🙂
I used to be a fan of the5krunner. Now I think I will stop visit this place. He seems to take the zonefivesoftware’s side
I was asked to remove them. I specifically edited them to make that, sorta, obvious ie rather than just delete them.
Please feel free to comment about anything else sportracks-related
Over and out for me. This site is not for me anymore.
Shut down this site. please. Its dead anyway.
“Rumours of its death have been greatly exaggerated”
See Mark Twain and others at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_premature_obituaries
Maybe I shall now get that linkback from wikipedia Ihave so longed for? Thank you for your help.
Funny that zonefivesoftware/sportstracks seems to like people to follow the law when they do everything to avoid doing that them selves. I have contacted them and asked for an extract of my data (refering to GDPR law)
They obiusly don’t have processes or knowlede that follows the law. They try to
ask me to give 3rd party software access to my personal data to have it extracted instead of sending it to me.
This will be expensive for them. I’ll proceed with this issue.
By the way the contents of emails are much harder to check and control. 😉
And just to make everyone remember: people around here are not people to steal something for free, just the opposite, they have bought something and the seller would like to steal it back.
Why not do they simply buy it back? It would be fair trade, would not it?
“By the way the contents of emails are much harder to check and control.”
It’s not a TFK-site related problem… Be smart!!
Hi all anywhere in the world, confined or not ; reading all your comments (thank you!), I just remembered that I had not kept the ST3 Windows installer. I plan to upgrade to W10 in the next months and won’t be able to install without the exe. I found an exe on the web, but the source does not give me confidence.
Would somebody send me in private a way to send me the exe?
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Thank you and take care
This is what I exchanged with ZF:
Thank you again for your reply, though your answer is not satisfying me.
I paid for ST3 and now you decide to stop it and inform me that I will not be able to use it one day? No problem with the fact that you may stop the software development and prefer your clients to go cloud. But you should not make us unable to use it in the future, especially if I don’t want to go cloud with your service.
I use Strava in addition to ST3, I prefer my ST3 on PC and would like to keep on using it as used to.
What about abandonware? This would be very friendly and much appreciated by a strong community of sport practicing people who could change their mind about ZF…
Please change your point of view!
Take care of COVID 19 anyway!
Jocelyn
De: “Team SportTracks”
À: “Jocelyn
Envoyé: Lundi 6 Avril 2020 02:30:46
Objet: Re: End of life banner
Hey Jocelyn,
The legacy ST3 Windows PC app reached end of life this week. We no longer distribute the software or offer any updates. The entire software support infrastructure, distribution, support, licensing and domain, hosting and webservices will be ending later this summer as we end the product.
You’ll have to use the software as-is with the end of life banner until it terminates. There is no option to customize or hide that.
With end of life here and the software termination soon we strongly advice user to take the notifcation seriously – export your data and migrate ASAP or risk loss of access to your entire fitness history!
Regards,
-Team SportTracks-
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On April 05, 2020 at 12:49 PM Jocelyn wrote:
Hi at Team ST,
thank you for your quick reply; I know all this.
I paid for your software, I just want to keep on using it without the banner. Please help!
BTW I planned to upgrade to W10 on a new SSD and noticed I did not keep the ST3 installer. Would you provide a private link for the software installer I paid for?
Merci beaucoup!
Jocelyn
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On April 05, 2020 at 5:31 AM Team SportTracks, User Advocate wrote:
Hello,
This email is in regards to your recent inquiry about our Windows PC ST3 software product.
One year ago on our website and in direct email we announced the end of life plan for the legacy ST3 Windows PC software. This announcement and one year timeframe has allowed customers to plan for and take action to migrate to a new solution. You can review the announcements here:
http://www.zonefivesoftware.com/st3-end-of-life/
At this time ST3 has reached end of life and will no longer be supported or updated.
While you may find the ST3 PC software still operates for a time, be advised as stated in the announcement – all services will be shut down later this year. There has been no testing performed of software behavior past termination of online services, nor any validation that the software will still operate without errors beyond online service termination. Should the software fail to operate you risk data loss of your entire fitness history.
As a result of this uncertainty of software stability we have made the recommendation in the announcement last year:
To maintain the integrity of your data and fitness tracking workflow we strongly recommend that you transition to our SportTracks online solution or another fitness tracking solution and de-install the ST3 software on or before the Software end-of-life date.
If you’re looking for a PC based app, you may want to look at Golden Cheetah or My Tourbook – both are fully capable free open sourced PC based solutions that offer a migration from ST3.
Best wishes in your future sport endeavors,
-Team SportTracks-
On April 05, 2020 at 1:33 AM Jocelyn wrote:
Hi @ Zonefive software,
I hope that the whole team is fit and healthy, being able to go through
this crazy COVID 19 period…
I noticed that my ST3 PC version now displays a banner about the end of
life of the product:
I understood the meaning of this situation, but I am pretty satisfied
with this PC version and do not want more or an upgrade to your online
new version (sorry) though security matter could be a risk for this PC
version (I’m an IT manager and do care about this anyway).
Is there a way to avoid this banner in the future?
Thank you for your help and take care.
Jocelyn confined for 3 weeks now
Nobody threatened them with a class action – I would be really curious how they’ll react to that :-). If I would be living in the USA, that’s what I would do…and I bet that a rookie layer would win that in no time. Hell, I’d be getting even some cash for them being stupid.
Microsoft didn’t shut down Windows 2000 when it reached EOL…it’s a simple software usage policy. You can use it on your own risk without any updates, and that is fine. I suspect though that business is not that good and they are hoping to get some more customers – as now everything is getting inside the cloud together with an yearly fee…
” I suspect though that business is not that good and they are hoping to get some more customers – as now everything is getting inside the cloud together with an yearly fee…”
You nailed it, plain and simple. But if you ask them, they’ll tell you the opposite, that they’re making money hand over fist with their cloud offer
i’ll just add to that that if you own a garmin account, from my persprective, the sporttracks mobi version is pretty much futile – it doesn’t offer that bang for the buck. add a cheap strava plan for hard core roadies with leaderboards and segments – and sporttracks is doomed. but an updated desktop version, even for more money – well…that would have been something. too bad they didn’t put things into perspective. one simply can’t do a proper analysis on the phone – you need a desktop for that -so the argument of having instant data access (online) falls apart. so you’ll remain with either desktop version or web version of the app – hence my judgement regarding the offline scenario with a proper updated and optimised st4.0. the only reason behind an online version is the coaching platform, but even that could have been integrated into some sort of account + minimal web development.
Last answer from ZF below; what is scaring me is the domain termination. ST seems to be using a browser in its views, if it loads some pages from their site, it could be a big problem…
Hello,
Yes, the ST3 is terminated end of life as of March 31, 2020 as notified to users one year ago. Please refer to the announcement for details: http://www.zonefivesoftware.com/st3-end-of-life/
We have not done any testing to see behavior after domain termination. It is expected there will be program failures that are not handled, resulting app crashes, and inability to access local fitness data. It is advised that users take action to not lose data.
You may proceed at your risk, of course the choice is yours!
Let me know if there is still some questions or anything isn’t clear. I’m here to help.
Cheers!
-Team SportTracks-
To me, it’s not complicated, they fooled everyone. See my comment several months ago where I was able to take a screenshot where they said on the now deleted forum
“The PC license is for lifetime of the 3.x software. It grants a use of the software for as long as you own it”
Lifetime… LOL if by life they mean everything until March 31/2020
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2014/10/sporttracks-connect-automatic.html#comment-3353026
Let’s face it, whether it’s legal or not, ST is dead guys!
this will be hard to replace, there’s no software that comes close to st+plugins 🙁
any support appreciated: https://geni.us/StagesGen3
Another reply from ZF:
JB questions: On April 06, 2020 at 1:47 PM Jocelyn Bouriant wrote:
PLease allow us to keep on using it normally; what do you mean by domain termination?
ZF answers: The old website.
Right now the old website is down and routed to the .mobi one, and ST3 is still working…
Hello everyone, I’m French, I would love your help to install the ST3.1.69 version with a patch. Like most of them I paid and I have over 10 years to remember.
Please help me!!
Bonjour Filoche,
you may contact me at :
[edited] so that I can senc you the content that other members of the forum kindly sent me; thank you Tex and Sergio!!!
Bonne journée confinée !
Jocelyn
thank you
I sent an email to
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That’s right?
yes it is, but I’d prefer the email to be hidden… Too late!
I sent you the link via private message.
Sportivement !
Dear Jossbou,
I would be very happy if you could contact me.
I wish you the very best!
Thomas
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“ but an updated desktop version, even for more money – well…that would have been something. too bad they didn’t put things into perspective”
I deem that maybe Z5s realized in a later phase that .mobi was not so successful, but they didn’t want to opt for developing ST4 desktop software, because they would miss some of all those plugin developers who made ST3 so big. And let’s be fair, ST3 without any 3rd party plugin would represent maybe less than 50% of the value of ST3+plugins
For the ones that lost their installer, here they are:
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Versions included:
3.1.6611
3.1.6690
3.1.6879
3.1.6934
3.1.7002 (latest)
I can’t tell you if you can activate now. What I do know, is that today I still was able to activate OMB plugin.
I was and am very very found of ST3. But I can understand that this kind of business model doesn’t gives them money.
This versions were not hacked. were original, don’t understand why they were removed.
Z5 gave another reasons for that, I did ask. I can dig out the reply if you want to know
Is it possible to share?It would be interesting to know.
As someone who also bought the product and plugins can’t understand why someone couldn’t share it, specially since they need the serials to work.
I think all the people here that bought the product and have problems/solutions should get together in some platform to share them.
If anyone knows a forum/site where we can talk and share let me know.
5krunner thanks for all the support on this issue, I know you are on “complicated” side of the thing =)
Keep safe
Here is the 3.1.5642 with patch.
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Hello,
I bought this software in 2011. I installed the a previous version to avoid the invasive red stripes.
But today I launch the software and ask me to register. I enter my key received by email in 2011 … which no longer works !! It’s a key for life…
I sent an email to Z5S but I know the answer …
Is there a solution to my problem?
Thank you
Klarf (a french user!)
Bonjour Klarf,
je continue en anglais pour que cela puisse bénéficier à tous !
I go on in English, so that everybody who would need these information may get benefit from it.
I just made a test with a version 3.1.6879 and could activate it with my personal key e.g. XXX-XXXXX after clicking activate.
Bon confinement !
Hello Jossbou,
thank you for your answer, I tried the same version as you without success, I installed the latest version (3.1.7002) and it worked, I paste the files of version 3.1.6934 which does not present red band …
It will work, but until when? Is there a patch to avoid having this problem again? I’ve found nothing.
Thank you !
Et bon confinement à toi aussi, en ce moment c’est zwift pour tenir le coup !
Hi, I
I have the problem again. When launching the software I am asked for the key but unable to activate the software.
Is there a lasting solution?
Thanks !
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Hello
..would be very happy if you can also provide me the files for enabling ST.
Or provide me a short info what needs to be updated in exe file wit dn spy.
Please help me 🙂
ticanet (.at.) arcor .de
Curious that you can’t go the the former zonefivesoftware.com/sporttracks/plugins but inside ST3, you can update plugins.
I only had a very old installer of weather plugin, and it just got updated
“I only had a very old installer of weather plugin, and it just got updated”
but does it retrieve weather data?
Thanks
Just tried. No.
I have wrote to wunderground. They told me, that SportTracks must paid for the weather datas. And now nobody is paying an more…
Can we pay something directly to wunderground for weather data?
I paid for the weather plugin only 5 euros back in 2012,
I cannot believe that during all those years 5 euros was enough to get data from wunderground.
If only the developper of this plugin could respond…
Yes, 5€ for some years weather datas is nothing. I think also only OMB can fix this or Z5 has cut the connection to wunderground.
Anybody has an contact to OMB?
For the people that lost their installer, on the website of computerbild.de the SportTracks download is available: https://www.computerbild.de/download/SportTracks-3133934.html (it’s not the most recent version, but it’s better than nothing)
Question:
I have to change my PC. Maybe I can install sportracks 3.1.
I have to reinstall some plugins (traning load, OMB plugins); i have activation code of all of these (some years ago i paid for these…)
Can I perform the new plugin installation? Or they need server that was closed?
@Circe
Yes you can, at least OMB and MechGT activate fine, just did it some days ago.
Also, needed to format my computer, just installed and activate sport tracks just fine.
a place to help each other in the future https://sporttracks.forumotion.com
Apart from realizing earlier that ST3 cannot import .fit files ver 2.0 of my Fenix 5+ flawlessly (elevation track is always missing, recovery time as a data field is usually missing, CIQ data tracks are imported, but CDT plugins does not calculate their avg value, instead it identifies their max value as avg value) nowadays I realized that all those activity tracks of my F5+ which have been recorded as lactate threshold test are NOT imported at all.
I do not know the reason, but it is the second sign of the slow death of the usability of the software as regards my need.
But heads up, there are still lots of value there.
Hi, im french and my english is very very poor.
Y try, since one year later continue my sportracks 3 and reading a lot of forums.
But the end of life is very bad for me…and y don’t fount a good issue.
a have install MTB and other but for the objects maintenance is to poor for the moment.
Are you have a solution for me ?
Thanks
guillaume
If you search back through these comments, there are instructions for using a patched ST executable that effectively removes the end of life.
Bonjour Guillaume,
envoie-moi s’il te plaît un courriel à the5krunner chez bouriant point net pour que je te fasse passer un installeur et un patch.
Bonne fin de dimanche!
JB
Merci de vos réponses, j’ai envoyé un mail.
je n’ai rien reçu pour l’instant
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