Stamina : What is Garmin’s new Stamina metric?

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and so it goes on…sorry, I’m teasing! 😉 I’m just making the point that this all is nothing new.

Wikipedia says that stamina and endurance are the same.

In a nutshell, Garmin’s Stamina is how much oomph you have left in your tank.

 

Some Examples, by way of explanations

You might have a constant steady speed or pace that you can maintain for hours but at some point, you will stop.  This chart shows me running for about 90 minutes with a straight line STAMINA declining progressively throughout which would probably hit zero after two and a half hours.

There are some incorrect HR peaks at the start but then I settle into Z1 until about 50:00 when I increase the pace to my aerobic threshold Z2/Z3. That’s an entirely fat burning effort to this point and if the straight line continued declining at the same rate it would have me stopping after about 2 and a half hours. I reckon it would be 3 hours in reality but it seems about right based on how I felt that day.

 

Contrast that to the following chart from a different kind of bike ride. I was cycling with a couple of other people in a half-hearted attempt at a chain gang. We were going slow, then picking up the effort for short sprints, losing a slow rider, almost stopping and it wasn’t especially tiring. You can see the gradient of this stamina line is shallower than before. That reflects the differences in the X-axis scale(!) and the fact that I could have easily gone at this pace, or steadier, for several hours more. ie You can cycle aerobically for longer than you can run aerobically, or, at least I can!

 

 

You can also see where I’ve circled two deviations where I targetted two Strava segments and the wind was blowing in the right direction! I was starting to burn some serious carbs for a few minutes. Intuitively it must be right that if you interrupt a steady-state effort with an effort increase then your eventual exhaustion point is brought closer in time. You might also speculate that a much harder, more sustained anaerobic effort could bring you to a standstill even quicker, say in 10 minutes or less.

Like this…

Here’s another more marked example on a Wahoo Kickr Core. From 25:00 to 35:00 I get to my Z2/Z3 boundary and I’m still going aerobically. But then I markedly increase my effort to around FTP. As you can see this eats rapidly into my “actual” real-time stamina. I recover and then have another crack at 55:00 by which point I’m tired. The end result of only about 20 minutes of hard effort in a 50-minute workout is that my actual stamina level is down to around 25%. If I kept trying that hard then I wouldn’t have lasted much longer. Yet, if I eased off, my carb stores would recover and I imagine that the Actual stamina line would recover upwards to the potential stamina line and then I could keep plodding on for several more hours. Note that my anaerobic effort permanently lowered potential stamina.

I mentioned W’ Balance Earlier

I think it’s starting to make sense now. It reminds me of W’ Bal, which I use as a power-based metric in Golden Cheetah and which represents my remaining anaerobic energy levels. It’s the red line in the following chart from a ride where I was doing some ‘quite hard’ road bike hill reps. These were all anaerobic reps and you can see that I quickly ate into my anaerobic reserves which are subsequently replenished back up close to the red 20Kj level as I cruise down the next hill for the next rep.

Thus W’ Bal reflects my anaerobic energy reserves. It is the energy in my tank BUT just the anaerobic energy. I have aerobic energy too, of course.

How is this calculated?

Check out this on GitHub if you fancy implementing something similar yourself.

The essential calculation must be based on either your time in each heart rate zone or power zone but with a lot of fancy bits added on that 99% of us will never understand, nor want to understand.

I don’t think anyone quite knows the exact calculations and full data sets that Garmin use.

Where is it stored? Is it stored?

Both actual and potential stamina are stored as new fields in the FIT File and so any other sports data platform can use the Stamina info if it wants to.

 

What Are The Uses?

It’s a useful metric. Its uses range from assessing how easily/how fast you can complete the race/workout to checking your post-workout stats to see if you really did go flat out in the hard bits.

You could even use the Stamina level as a target in intervals. Let’s say you target reducing stamina to 20% in each interval, well, what it takes to get to that point varies by how quickly and how hard you build up to it plus it varies based on your previous intervals. Thus each 20% depletion interval could appear quite different from a watts or pace perspective but the end physiological goal MIGHT be the same for each one.

There is a lot more you can do with this type of non-traditional metric. Ask Xert…they’ve been doing it for several years already and I’ve been using their platform for years too!

More: Baron Biosys (Armando@ Xert Online)

More: Mark L from Golden Cheetah

Has Garmin Done A Good Job Here

Yes, it looks like it: Providing your HR data and zones are correct.

I initially thought this would be a useless gimmick but I’ve changed my opinion quite significantly after a couple of goes with it and looking at the data it produces.

More: The information on the image below is an explanation of Stamina from Garmin. thank you for reading!

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Web Van

That’s an interesting and thorough analysis, thanks. I wonder if it’s not more actionable for bike riding though, where you can actually recover or for running intervals, as opposed to steady pace races like 10Ks or HMs. I ran a full out 10k myself last Sunday (close to the time predicted by my Epix) and was told I still had 40% potential stamina at the end…I was exhausted ! There have been similar reports of an full out HM ending at 30% stamina. So yeah I suppose I could have kept going after a 10′ rest but that’s not exactly useful during a race. Maybe it works better for longer races like a marathon ?

webvan

Yes, should be close to 0% regardless of the race distance but so far I haven’t seen any hint of that. It seems Stamina is more focused on Anaerobic efforts than Threshold efforts where you’ll be close to zero between 40 and 60 minutes…

webvan

Very slowly though. Strangely it seems they are not factoring Threshold running in their calculations.

DC Rainmaker

Fwiw – I asked about 5KM and 10KM races, and they said that realistically it’s a crapshoot if it correctly nails a 5KM race, because the timeframe is so short. On a 10KM, they said it definitely should, assuming it’s got everything correctly configured.

In general, in my experience, it’s been pretty scary-accurate at long-term duration stuff (like 5-7+hrs), but a bit more wobbly for short-duration stuff (e.g. one hour of intervals). It also tends to struggle with non-intense activities (like hiking), though, it’s not enabled on the hiking activity profile. But if I use the trail run profile for a long hike, then it seems to underestimate my capacity/will.

For the primary use case of endurance training/racing though, I’m reasonably impressed with it. Do note that as outlined in the article, your recovery time is a big factor in these calculations (from previous workouts).

webvan

Yeah clearly they should be able to factor in Threshold running, especially since they have a LTHR value (correct in my case for HR, a bit too slow pace) so after one hour (at most) of running at LTHR, potential stamina should be equal to zero, that should be easy enough to add to the calculation.

Si

Following up from your post I found the data pretty interesting having raced this weekend. Whilst I didn’t use the stamina meter during the race I looked at the stamina data post race this weekend. Didn’t use during the race. Pleased to report that it was very accurate and would have been helpful during the race. My time for context 47:07 – Stamina hit 0% at 46:36 at which point it’s just abut guts and determination to finish. I had 14% about a minute earlier, when I started my kick to the line. Appreciate it’s 1 race for 1 person but backs up to me what you shared in your post about it being useful for 10k plus. On the basis of this result I may consider using it in future for races from this distance upwards.

webvan

Good for you but that’s really odd given the multiple feedback for 10k and HM races where it ended at 30+%. Hard to imagine that you lost 14% of stamina in a minute !
Was it close to your predicted time ? Do you haven an LTHR value ?

Si

As you have said Garmin are effectively modelling the depletion and recovery of your work capacity in a more accessible way (W’ balance, AWC, RWC, whatever you want to call it). – Firstly I would expect this needs calibrating with max efforts at different durations to be truly accurate. (I did a CP test on the weekend using the stryd pod and was at 0% stamina about halfway through each of my 2 segments – 3:00 max and 10:00 max tests). By the end of a race if you’ve given it your all or close to the stamina meter should reflect that and be at zero, certainly under 5% no matter the distance or duration. – Secondly I’d assume a minimum period of training data would be required to accurately assess stamina capability. 30-90 days most likely. – If you are using a power meter already, and have a well calibrated power duration curve in your chosen software this is probably less accurate than that. – However this seems like less work than using WKO / Golden Cheetah or some of the other platforms. – And it’s also calculated in real time which is useful, and as far as I’m… Read more »

GLT

Seems like a step or two better than Performance Condition, but perhaps it is just a step different. The example on-device screenshots circulated so far feel a bit less glanceable than most. In any case I want to try it when it ends up on a Edge product.

It isn’t clear power curve tracking would be dependable unless they have been storing more than just record power and recent power data. Perhaps they can extrapolate expected best case power at low stamina as a percentage of best expected power at other stamina levels.

Joe Kotschevar

Is it possible to download the FIT file from either Garmin connect, or directly from the watch to a computer. I assume a FIT file is generated.
thanks

Yannis

In any case it is a bit scary to tell you that you have (i.e.) 80 Kms in the tank.
I am very very curious how could one deplete his/her stamina in a workout.

chrisgg

I wonder how this metric coped with intake of energy gels etc. For instance, supposing a marathon runner ran low in glycogen by 20 miles and was unable to carry on further? How would Garmin know whether he had taken more on board. Is it assumed that adequate calories are being consumed to avoid running out of energy? I suppose my confusion is the meaning of stamina. The leg muscles could be fatigued without having run out of fuel.

GLT

Until they have a blood glucose sensor involved they likely have to assume that event intake is similar to training intake. There are certainly reasons in an event why that may not be the case, but then the user will reasonably notice and adjust their interpretation. I suspect like Performance Condition it has most actionable value when it gives the user a number that is wildly different from what they anticipated while still being an accurate. Numbers near expectation ought to provoke no particular change. An especially poor number flags for the user they need to look for other indications to confirm their original plan is in jeopardy. In the same way Performance Condition provides a bit better real-time assessment than Training Effect, the new measurements also increase the utility of the device just a little bit longer into efforts. The amount of data and computation for the incremental improvements definitely feels non-linear. A few years ago there was an observational study that found evidence in US marathons there is a specific, moderate pace that is mathematically unlikely to be successful. Both runners targeting less and runners targeting more had statistically better chances of success at their pace target. The… Read more »

Zhang Yawen

Hi! I am really interested in your analysis in the Garmin stamina level. May I know your contact details, such as the email, so that we could discuss more?

tfk, the5krunner