39 thoughts on “all the details – new Garmin Fenix ​​7 Pro, new Elevate, new features, new Epix Pro”

1. Doesn’t seem the Epix Pro will come with the flashlight, a speaker or a microphone. Hard to say from the pics.

   1. And no solar for Epix.

      1. nope

   2. yes. i think those are fair assumptions tho.

      1. Unless they pull some software stuff from their sleeves I think it’s a disappointing upgrade overall. ECG is cool sure (albeit lagging comparing to competition) but I feel like yet again this model won’t be the model where they put all together all the tech they have (Solar, Qi, LTE, Assistant integration, flashlight)…well I guess I’ll keep my Fenix for another year or see what the competition offers.

2. Hope for 1,4″ in 47mm F7 Pro.

   1. ????????????????????????

      Pull out all the stops. Hope is not enough 😉

      1. From the pictures it seems, that it’s same 1.3″.

      2. maybe

      3. I just put the images of F7SS and new F7 Pro above each other and the display is the same size, only the solar ring seems a little bit larger.

      4. ok, ty
         I think FLO is having a look at that as well

   2. Yeah that would be my dream… the 1.4″ MIP of the 7x on the 47mm case, and I would be even more interested in a 1.6″ on the 7x.
      “How can they do that?? the case is what it is, they can’t stretch the available space!”

      well… they can actually get rid of the solar panel! And I don’t mean only the outer ring, even more important would be removing the translucent part covering the display itself! I still miss the beautiful visibility and “real watch” effect of my Fenix 6 base model, with no solar panel, no sapphire lens and of course no touch screen digitizer in the way, only pure very transparent gorilla glass.

      I do realize that at this point wouldn’t make any sense to remove the touchscreen, but all the rest should be paid optional for whom wants it, I really would like a cleaner (and bigger, at that point) screen.
      Also… I understand that the extremely bright and beautiful Epix gen 2 already exists, and apparently an “X” version is coming out, however… also this won’t look like a real watch to my admittedly “old man” taste, I just want a perfectly transparent glass over a good quality passive display.

      But I also get they need to sell big numbers, so they need to follow the general taste of the new (and I get it, beautiful) amoled screens. I’ll have to live with it, I guess……

3. Not very interesting, but incidentally my running got much more hilly recently, so I hope that feature is backported. Or, the new HR sensor is good enough to warrant an upgrade ????

   1. i would have though fr955/f7 will get it but no further back than that.

      might be interesting if garmin did cycling hill performance/rating along a similar vein (or it might not)

4. Just the 51mm Epix Pro is enough for me. Missing the larger size every day…

5. The 4 pin charging port is still there so WHY would you say that QI wireless charging is a plausible option?

   1. Note that Vivomove Trend have BOTH wireless charging and pins – hence presence of pins does not proves lack of Qi based charging. Sadly, what proves it – is fact that both Fenix and Epix PRO have metal backs – wireless charging will not work through metal.

   2. because January’s Vivomove Trend had both

6. This blow up my theory that the enduro is a new brand for the minor, off-cycle revision fenix. Or, like Intel, there are 2 minor revisions now.

   It will be interesting if the 7X pro has the same larger milliwatt-hour battery as an enduro 2 and simply replaces it for all practical purposes.

   Dollars to donuts any purely software features will also land across the fenix 7 platform.

   What makes it pro other than beta testing a new elevate sensor generation?

   – larger battery capacity (like enduro 2)?
   – better solar glass power generation?
   – larger display?

   1. yes, maybe all those,
      as per other comments here the bigger display may not be on the table

      1. The 5 plus was really only 3 things:

         1. maps across the range not just the X
         2. onboard music along with Spotify and Amazon music
         3. significantly more battery range if you didn’t blow it on 1 and 2.

         The 5X plus already had maps but got the new elevate sensor with pulse-ox.

         Oh and Garmin pay. So each model got 4 new and improved things.

         I’m not sure the fenix 7 pro range is going to get 3-4 new things. It seems like raising the bar for battery range plus whatever magical things the new elevate sensor does.

         The epix 2 pro seems like a more significant release because of the expansion of SKUs into the S and X sizes.

      2. I noticed there is are at least 2 epix 2X pro renders with a battery indicator at 31 days. That seems remarkable — surely not with always on mode. But still it’s a ton of capacity compared to anything else amoled. I think it probably meets flagship MIP-based device range from 2-3 years ago.

         The fenix 7X pro has an indicator at 37 days. If it works like the fenix 7X that is without considering solar and is 1.33x the 7X capacity. This is 1.09x more than the enduro 2. Assuming it is all proportional that implies a mind-boggling ~88 hrs locked multiband GPS with everything on plus another 10-20% with SatIQ plus a possible 20% in 50k lux conditions — ~125 hrs before considering any of the substantial power management options that can greatly extend range.

         If the solar glass is incrementally better than on the 7X to match what the Suunto Vertical can do then maybe it is 30% in 50k lux conditions.

         If I am extrapolating somewhat compost to reality, I feel a little bit bad for the Suunto Vertical having only weeks just barely on the top of the heap until this is announced.

      3. it’s good to be on top of the heap at least for a short while !

7. Nice! Happy to see the analysis on the screen real estate.

   Useful screen vs clock size
   Taking it one step further could be to divide screen diameter with clock diameter. Doing this for forerunner 245 vs 255 was an eye opener for me (some market/development shenanigans). 245 had better values.

8. Glad they won’t make Fenix AMOLED and leave that for Epix 🙂 Will be happy with F7 SS until maybe Fenix 9 comes along with satellite connectivity. Not really interested in ECG, LTE or wireless charging.

   1. I never understood the fear that Garmin would one day put aAMOLED screen on the Fenix….because they already did and called it Epix. I am sure that Garmin will will keep MIP displays for many years to come, as long are the sales numbers are there….but it’s good to see that they are introducing more AMOLED screens. I just bought the Instinct 2X and love it…but I will most likely get and Epix 2XP once they release it.

9. – no bigger display size
   – no solar on epix
   but:
   – new elevate
   – new gps chip version
   – longer battery life

   1. If there will be no bigger screen (1,4″) on Epix X version – then I will definitely skip.

10. Why do some people here prefer Fenix over Epix? I would prefer Epix all day long myself, so I am eager to learn your perspective. Maybe I am overlooking something :).

    1. Maybe because they want visible display all the time with no cost of battery drain? For example on the bike.

    2. i agree with you 🙂 https://the5krunner.com/2022/01/23/garmin-instinct-2-solar-unlimited-battery/

       some people ‘need’ the truly long battery lives…not many…but some. Then there is a degree of aesthetics as the AOD of Garmin’s AMOLED is not really the normal watchface-always on.

    3. Let me tell you why I had to sell Epix and return to the dull Fenix:
       – I couldn’t see seconds hand and every second HR reading without gesture and in recent years with Garmin I got used to it
       – While wearing long sleeve I thought that both screen and battery are needlessly deteriorating (AOD is the only mode I use as gesture is a huge step backwards in terms of functionality)
       – On sunny days I had to use gesture during activity/everyday use and with polarized shades the visibility was really bad
       – Turned off screen while laying on the table and constant dimming on the wrist simply pissed me off
       – I didn’t see the benefits of solar energy while in the sun
       These are subjective of course but some people prefer functionality over a nice screen 🙂

       1. Are you sure you are using polarized sunglasses? I used my Epix with polarized glasses from Oakley, Bose and Ray-Ban and never ever encountered any issues in regard to visibility. Besides my I2X I have the 265s and it is no problem to read this watch either.

       2. Yeah I’m sure because Fenix’s sapphire screen actually looks better, doesn’t have so much glare. And I’m referring to AoD mode on Epix, gesture wasn’t that bad (but worse than Fenix in full sun).

11. Looking at the pictures – seems also that newer GUI (as on FR 965) was not adopted as well in Epix Pro. Another bummer, as that one (especially on bigger 1,4″ screen) seems more readable.

    1. huh
       i hadn’t spotted that. Very strange. i guess it’s the FITNESS/OUTDOORS internal divisions nonsense that characterises product devt in garmin.

12. What will be the difference between 7X and 7X pro (only new sensor and a better charge) ? The same for epix 47mm vs the epix 2 pro 47mm ?

    Because, I see difference between 7 and 7 pro an 7s and 7s pro (the light arrive on this models) and epix 42 pro and epix 51 pro are new sizes. I think that 7x pro and epix 47mm pro will not be a very good investissement.

    1. the differences will be the new stuff outlined above.
       there will probably be some more new things we don’t yet know
       watch this space

13. Just switched back to Garmin after a brief affair with the Apple Watch Ultra. If the new Epix has the Venu 2 Plus capabilities with Siri and a speaker and ECG I will be a very happy person. Just will need to figure out how to hide the purchase from the wife!

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